1x1. Dulcinea

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~ Official Site

Welcome to episode 1

Episode Summary
"The series opens with Julie Mao alone aboard a spaceship in a Scopuli suit. On the dwarf planet Ceres, Detective Miller is assigned to find Mao and return her to her rich parents on Luna. In New York, UN executive Chrisjen Avasarala interrogates a captured operative of the Outer Planets Alliance (OPA), a militant Belter group, about contraband stealth technology. On its way to Ceres, the ice trawler Canterbury receives a distress signal from the freighter Scopuli, and Executive Officer Jim Holden is ordered to lead a rescue mission with the ship's engineer Naomi Nagata, the mechanic Amos Burton, the pilot Alex Kamal, and the medic Shed Garvey. They find the ship empty but for a distress transmitter, but as their shuttle heads back to the Canterbury, a stealth ship destroys the ice carrier with nuclear torpedoes." (~wikipedia)

Three things:
1) This article tells you why 'The Expanse is sure to be your new favorite sci-fi epic
2) I found the SyFy Episode Recap interesting.
3) [personal profile] tinny has set up a chat for anyone who'd like to coordinate a watch along. See details here.

Please share your thoughts about the episode in the comments.
Some possible topics (but please share anything):
- What were your thoughts about the episode?
- Anything you noticed that you'd forgotten?
- What was your favorite scene?
- Do you have a favorite quote?
- If this is your first time through, what character stands out the most for you?
- Any articles, recaps or discussions elsewhere that you'd like to share?

Episode list

1x1. Dulcinea
James Holden and his crew investigate a distress call. Detective Miller searches for a missing heiress.
UP NEXT: 1x2. The Big Empty
Holden and crew fight for survival in a badly damaged shuttle. Miller uncovers clues to Julie Mao, as water rationing hit Ceres station. On Earth, UN Deputy Undersecretary Crisjen Avasarala interrogates a belter terrorist.
1x3. Remember the Cant
1x4. CQB
1x5. Back to the Butcher
1x6. Rock Bottom
1x7. Windmills
1x8. Salvage
1x9. Critical Mass
1x10. Leviathan Wakes
....... take a break until more people have access to season 2, possibly late summer/early fall?
2x1. Safe
2x2. Doors & Corners
2x3. Static
2x4. Godspeed
2x5. Home
2x6. Paradigm Shift
2x7. The Seventh Man
2x8. Pyre
2x9. The Weeping Somnambulist
2x10. Cascade
2x11. Here There Be Dragons
2x12. The Monster and the Rocket
2x13. Caliban's War

Housekeeping:
Please note the change in schedule to weekly (vs. every 3-4 days). Also, since season 2 isn't widely available yet, we'll take a break when we finish season 1 and determine at that time when we can best start season 2.

We have a few participants who are watching for the first time. Please note any SPOILERS for upcoming episodes in the comment subject line.

Re: (notes as I re-watched)

Date: 2017-05-02 06:28 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] tinny
tinny: Joe Miller from The Expanse in his trusty hat (expanse_joe miller)
I love Octavia, too! (I almost wrote some Joe/Octavia.. ahem)

They make more use of things like crash couches and magnetic boots than they do in later seasons. Or am I imagining that? Maybe I just stopped paying attention.

Well, I haven't seen s2, but I always hear those magnetic boots clanking, so... no, I don't think they forgot about them. They're always there. I think they're always paying attention to gravity, they're just doing so in the most cost-effective way. ;D

Date: 2017-05-05 04:28 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] tinny
tinny: Joe Miller from The Expanse in his trusty hat (expanse_joe miller)
Well... I kinda didn't know where I wanted to go with it. The scene screamed for it, but I think I couldn't get their motivations clear enough in my head, there was not the right kind of tension, I don't know. I wrote half of it and then didn't know how to continue.

It doesn't help that I haven't read the books and know *nothing* about her (I actually wrote the first draft without knowing her name, oops). So... I constantly feel like I'm unable to do her justice anyway. And it's so long ago, and will she ever turn up again? Will anyone want to read this anyway? (meh, the usual author excuses)

Otherwise, I'm totally okay to write things for an audience of one, so if you feel like encouraging me, I guess I'd be up for it.

Date: 2017-05-02 08:49 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] st_aurafina
st_aurafina: Rainbow DNA (Default)
I listened to one for Person of Interest S5, as well as one recapping X-Files. Sometimes I'm in the mood for it, but I usually like them better if they're female podcasters and there aren't so many of them, though I think there's a good one for Buffy that people were talking about a while ago.

Date: 2017-05-20 01:07 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] veritas_poet
veritas_poet: (B5 - Ivanova - work naked)
I got into Babylon 5 just a few years ago and it took over my life. Then I found The Babylon Podcast and it was fantastic!

http://www.babylonpodcast.com/

Date: 2017-05-01 07:33 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] tinny
tinny: Joe Miller from The Expanse in his trusty hat (expanse_joe miller)
I haven't rewatched yet, so I should probably wait until I have. But I very clearly remember one thing:

The way it all started in space, with Julie weightless and her hair floating around, that impressed me so much. It's never quite that impressive again later, even though they take care to show things as realistically as possible when it's about gravity. The first ep is just even a notch better.

Date: 2017-05-01 09:12 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] jekesta
jekesta: (space)
I think shows do always make a bit more of an effort with their world building in early episodes, and I love all the we-are-definitely-in-space stuff in this one.

Although the zero-g sex I'm less sold on. I'm pretty sure sex in zero gravity sounds great in theory but in practise you spend your whole entire time floating away from each other at the slightest, um, thrust. And then you probably end up strapping yourselves down to get it done properly. Or maybe it was meant to be some sort of tantric joining? (I'm watching for the first time but I'm aware that fandom has probably already debated this enough.)

Date: 2017-05-02 06:41 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] tinny
tinny: Joe Miller from The Expanse in his trusty hat (expanse_joe miller)
where is this fandom!?!? LOL

I don't know. I posted my rec and review post, thinking nobody had seen the show, and it got so many excited comments from my flist. None of them had ever mentioned it before that point. I don't know why they were all hiding they were watching it. ;)

Space: Above and Beyond

Ohh, I remember that. I used to watch that. <3 It was pretty good.

Date: 2017-05-02 06:33 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] tinny
tinny: Joe Miller from The Expanse in his trusty hat (expanse_joe miller)
Yeah. It's expensive, too, so all we get these days are people being pulled up ladders and clanking boots.

Although the zero-g sex I'm less sold on.

OMG don't get me started on that one. The most tropey way to introduce your white male hero is him having sex with the soon-to-be-fridged girlfriend. *aarrrrgh*

I completely refused to find it sexy for that reason. I didn't know she was going to die at that point, but it still annoyed me. Now it infuriates me. Let's see how I fare on the re-watch.

And of course, yeah, sex in space: likely/probably/definitely not as easy as they make it look. :D

(I'm watching for the first time but I'm aware that fandom has probably already debated this enough.)

I have no idea, because I discovered it late. I watched it all by myself the first time. I am looking forward to interacting with people who know more about it than I do. I haven't read the books, either.

Date: 2017-05-02 06:38 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] tinny
tinny: (Default)
I'm sure it wasn't cheap so perhaps they had to use footage sparingly.

Yeah. That's why all we get these days are clanking magnetic boots, and the occasional person pulling themselves up a ladder. The stuff that's easy to do with one direction of movement only.

I give them credit for thinking about it and avoiding the more obvious pitfalls, e.g. Naomi has short hair, and Julie binds her hair so it doesn't float. They're not actively ignoring it, they're just choosing to only show the affordable effects of low gravity. :D

stunning visuals

Absolutely! The thing I adore most about the show is the immersive locations. Everything feels so real. The opening credits are awesome (but some of my eps don't have long credits, sniff).


(oooh, love your SGA icon. I debated doing SGA for iconthat, but couldn't find an interesting cap (yet)).

Date: 2017-05-02 03:36 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] devilc
devilc: Jupiter in her wedding tiara with the word "imagine" (Default)
What I like best about the episode is it starts small and builds. All these small things, seemingly trivial and inconsequential at the time set an astounding chain of events into motion.

Date: 2017-05-02 08:51 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] st_aurafina
st_aurafina: Rainbow DNA (Default)
It took me till Remember the Cant to really get hooked on the show (and to sort out the different storylines) but this was a great intro to the show, and the effects are gorgeous. I love how well they've shown us weightlessness, and I always have a soft spot for space travel that involves clunking and grunge and beating machinery to make it work.

Date: 2017-05-05 04:31 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] tinny
tinny: Joe Miller from The Expanse in his trusty hat (expanse_joe miller)
Yes! The steampunkiness of it is glorious. It's all gritty and full of people and space is black and dark and cold and scary. The atmosphere on this show is just so amazing.

Date: 2017-05-02 10:39 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] mific
mific: (The Expanse)
[contains some Ep1 spoilers]
I don't think it was a preacher actually - think the recap got that wrong. It makes a ton more sense for it to be an OPA activist on the soapbox stirring the Belters up against the inner planets.
I just finished book 1 so I can't help comparing and I don't like that in the ep they have Miller taking a bribe from the lowlife who shorts poor people in Ceres on their air. Miller's a beaten-down aging cop, yeah, but he's not corrupt like that. Being complicit in messing with Belters' air and water is a BIG thing - something you get spaced for - but the ep just has Miller getting angry when the guy who paid him off not to check how he was maintaining the air filters skimped on maintaining the air filters - which was predictable, or why'd he be paying off a cop? It didn't make sense and was hypocritical of Miller. Bad show writing to explain the importance of air to Belters, with fake drama.
I guess TV has to be more in your face and less subtle than the books - like the decision to respond to the Scopuli's distress call where we have the profit-driven Captain, then Holden overriding him as his ethics can't stand it. In the book the same issues are played out, but more cleverly handled (they're explained in Holden's thoughts, which TV can't do), and the Captain's not a dick - the book showed how in the real world the whole crew would be torn between "we have to respond: what if it was us that needed rescuing" and "shit, there go all our profits" (with ethics winning in the end, but reluctantly).
All the subplotting with the Earth or Mars people like Crisjen - is that in a later book in the series? Or did the TV producers invent those characters as a totally new thing for the TV adaptation? I guess they wanted to make the politics behind it all clearer, as you can explain details in a book that you can't in a TV show. But I disliked Crisjen big time for torturing the Belter. I know she's popular as a strong female character and in the end she does the right thing, but that detail was cruel - made it hard for me to warm to her.
Zero-G sex, nope. You'd be smashing into bulkheads and getting a head injury. You'd have to be tied down, which'd be nicely kinky - a missed opportunity there, showrunners! And yeah, tacky with the sex scene to suck viewers in with cheap thrills early on, sheesh.
On initial watching and until I'd read the book and then gone back and reread bits again to be sure, I got really confused about all the ships at the start. Partly we're meant to, as the stealth ship that nukes the Cant is deliberately hiding its identity and that mystery unfolds across the series. So there's the Scopuli that was Julie Mao's ship (we know as her coverall's got SCOPULI on the front) before she and her crew got abducted (the one Holden and the guys go to check because of the distress beacon), but in the opening sequence Julie's not on Scopuli of course, but on the larger ship that abducted them (we never learn its name). So then there must be yet ANOTHER bad-guy stealth ship that fires on the Cant, because the ship that abducted Julie is infected with the alien goo and non-functional. Not to mention whoever hits the Donnager a bit later. I don't think the details of all those bad-guy ships are clearly laid out even in the book, actually, I guess as they're all stealth ships hiding the player that owns them. But still, confusing.
I really loved the grunginess and reality of it - banging things to get them to work, Miller's handheld having a cracked screen, the scruffiness of the Ceres station's poorer levels. I think Bladerunner was the first to do futuristic urban chaos well - a recognizable human city in the not too distant future but still with grungy corners and noodle bars. Star Wars had local color but it was more futuristic and didn't feel as real in most ways. All good in their own way.

Date: 2017-05-02 02:47 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] mific
mific: (The Expanse)
Heh, I had fun making the icon, might make a few more and post to the comm.

I think you're right about Miller being corrupt initially in the ep. Details in the TV version tend to get written large as they can't be explained in the same way, so exaggerating Miller's disillusionment and self-disgust in that way was how they conveyed it. I found I liked book-Miller a lot more than TV Miller because we see who he is inside, rather than the hard boiled exterior. By the end of book 1 he was my favorite character. On to book 2!

Yeah, I guess the authors are kind of writing their own fanfic in a way, plus the TV experts'll be showing them how some things just don't work the same on screen and you have to get the point across differently. Must be fun!

Date: 2017-05-02 09:00 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] slybrarian
slybrarian: Two wings raised over the stargate symbol. (Default)
All the subplotting with the Earth or Mars people like Crisjen - is that in a later book in the series? Or did the TV producers invent those characters as a totally new thing for the TV adaptation? I guess they wanted to make the politics behind it all clearer, as you can explain details in a book that you can't in a TV show. But I disliked Crisjen big time for torturing the Belter. I know she's popular as a strong female character and in the end she does the right thing, but that detail was cruel - made it hard for me to warm to her.

Avasarala first shows up in book two. However, since she's such a major character going forward in the series and is a good way to show what's happening on Earth, they wanted to introduce her to the show immediately. Of her supporting characters, Errenwright is part of her plot in Book 2, but most of the rest such as the ambassador to Mars are invented, although there's a few bit players like her family and Admirals Souther and Nguyen who do show up too.

Date: 2017-05-03 06:35 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] mific
mific: (Default)
OK, that makes sense - thanks!

Date: 2017-05-05 04:37 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] tinny
tinny: Joe Miller from The Expanse in his trusty hat (expanse_joe miller)
Very good points!

The zero-g sex annoyed me almost as much as fridging Holden's girlfriend right then and there. Both tropes I hate.

I haven't read the books, but this makes me want to read them.

Bladerunner was also very atmospheric, and I loved that about it. The atmosphere is what I love most about the Expanse, too.

Articles, Recaps, Reviews

Date: 2017-05-08 04:08 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] wendelah1
wendelah1: (The Expanse)
I'm still trying to collect my thoughts together so I have articles to share (sorry in advance if everyone has already read these). If there is something I missed, please share it. SPOILERS AHEAD.

Geek Girl Authority: 8 Reasons Why THE EXPANSE Is the Best Sci-fi Series on TV Right Now.

Wired: Only You Can Stop The Expanse From Becoming the Next Canceled Sci-Fi Classic.

Science Friday: How Humans Might Really Colonize the Solar System

Rollingstone: Why 'The Expanse' Is the Best Sci-FI TV Show You're Not Watching

The Nerdist: The Expanse tag has articles and recaps.

The AV Club: The Expanse tag has mostly recaps.

I am pretty sure this NPR review convinced me to give this show a chance last year. The Expanse Is the Best Science Fiction Show in a Decade

Or maybe it was this one from NYT? The Expanse,’ a Syfy Space Opera Laced With Parables

WBUR: 'The Expanse' Actress Shohreh Aghdashloo Is On A Mission

moviepilot.com: 'The Expanse' Is The Great Space Epic We Asked For, But Where Are The Viewers?

Den of Geek: The Expanse Tag has recaps and articles.

screenrant.com: The Expanse: Explaining The Protomolecule
Edited (add something) Date: 2017-05-08 04:09 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-05-20 01:02 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] veritas_poet
veritas_poet: (How Will It End)
I began watching this first ep when the rewatch began. But Real Life has been kicking my butt this past year, and with no end in sight. I've barely started here and I'm already several eps behind. Trying to catch up.

I was distracted and tired on my first viewing, so I watched it again tonight. Not a whole to say as of yet. I did get "Battlestar Galactica" vibes with the dark colors and general atmosphere, angry/jaded looking people just trying to get by.

Let's see how many eps I can get in tonight!

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